thank you for letting us

into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. the beat with ari melber starts right now. >> thanks so much, welcome to the beat, i'm ari melber, early voting is underway in 36 states, the majority of the country, it begins in the big state of ohio tomorrow and the election is 29 days away. debates, done, and tonight we can tell you marks another campaign tradition for the home stretch, the interview, the long-running 60 minute show a program that invites both nominees for their turn, the moments can be memorable. >> you don't have any doubts that you are ready? >> no. >> where'd you get all this confidence? >> my wife asked me all the time. >> there answer, now kamala harris is taking her turn as the nominee on the 60 minutes

program tonight and in a contrast to donald trump, who is breaking that tradition. the gap actually reflects something larger, a divergence in their strategies because while republicans have been pushing these attacks were they say harris is hiding out from all interviews, i bet you are familiar with that line of attack, and that something they did from the moment she entered the race, and they claim that trump does more interviews. the reality is actually more complex, harris did lay back from interviews in the first hectic weeks after she stepped up after biden's eggs and ended a few traditional interviews on cable news and radio, you may recall she sat down with our colleague and did a joint interview with her running mate, tim walz on cnn, this week she is mixing this traditional lane that i'm telling about like 60 minutes with a wider blitz including new and different media. i will come back to trump skipping 60 minutes a couple of minutes but right now i want to point out that the hair strategy is actually broader

than trump, she is doing digital broadcast to target listeners who may not follow regular news. on the one hand both campaigns are targeting voters, and the younger voters i mentioning rationing, through these newer platforms, but only one candidate right now, donald trump, is ducking the one on one interview with more traditional and independent journalist, he is bucking the 60 minutes tradition, avoided msnbc and cnn for the most part, the last major and independent interview he did with journalist, not just his own moderate allies on streaming was with the nabj. and there is news coming out of the harris podcast interview today. she did this big unusual appearance with someone named alex cooper and if you don't

know or i can tell you a heck of a lot of people do. she recently signed a $125 million deal with sirius xm which gives you an idea of her value according to media companies in today's ecosystem, her 10 million person audience for her show beats frankly most political programming. she's kind of like the new howard stern, the show is called, call her daddy. it reaches a young audience that skews female, so harris and her campaign are doing this, quite deliberately, it's a different kind of interview which is also a window into the issues that may be raking through for the audience, cooper asking about jd vance attack on women, who do not have kids. >> jd vance called women who don't have kids childless cat ladies. what message do you think this sends to women, who cannot conceive, or just don't want kids? >> i just think it's mean and mean-spirited. and i think that most americans want leaders who

understand that the measure of their strength is not who you beat down but the real measure of the strength of a leader is you lift up. the governor of arkansas said my kids keep me humble, unfortunately kamala harris doesn't have anything keeping her humble. >> there are a whole lot of women out here who one, are not inspiring to be humble. >> that's just some of that conversation which is interesting, little different, the interview is part of the rudder series of interviews that includes coming this week the original king of media howard stern, he's hosted the president earlier this year and has been vocally supportive of this ticket, so that's the howard stern that interviews doing plus the view, the late show with colbert and a whole univision town hall. harris allies view this blitz that i'm telling you about is a twofer, she will reach tens of millions of people beyond the political bubble and it's also

a demonstration that the vice president can take all kinds of questions in all kinds of forums, rebutting the gop talking point that suggested she wasn't doing enough interviews well trump ducks, which we will get to but the other dynamic is how this campaign wants to showcase kamala harris at her strengths, remember, she came into this later than any nominee ever and while she is the vice president, plenty of people don't follow everything so they want to find ways to continue to introduce., that means finding forms that were, bill clinton, crushed town halls, it was his thing, his campaign was psyched to get one of the first presidential debates in that format, so they got a debate with all the energy and televised audience that brings with clinton talking to people in that format, obama was better at big speeches and the campaign prioritize them and harris, connected with people for her fine and off-the-cuff vibe, so they are looking at how these other venues can

prioritize that. >> they said we need understanding and healthcare from the neck up. >> i'm a gun owner. if somebody breaks in my house, they are getting shot. >> yes, i hear that. >> i probably should not have said that. >> miley! hi! how are you? >> i am honored. >> you are kind of a show off. >> those are obviously different vibes, harris mixing that flavor with the journalistic interviews, and that brings us back to this major tradition in u.s. politics that i mentioned, a tradition that is journalistic, that is designed to be fair, to draw in the nominees from both sides in a similar form, with the kind of

in-depth exchange that's different, i'm talking about 60 minutes. where for many decades the giants of network news have tried to show us and draw out and also press both parties presidential nominees. >> you have reached some sort of an understanding and arrangement -- >> wait a minute, you're looking at two people that love each other, this is not an arrangement or an understanding. >> i'm not sitting here like some little woman standing by her man like tammy wynette. >> they think that congressman brian's budget plan is going to drive voters their way, how do you respond to that? >> what i respond is very simple, and that is america has a choice. >> you don't have any doubts that you are ready? >> no. >> where do you get all this confidence? >> my wife asked me that all the time. >> is he tough enough to be

president? >> it's toughness, shouting, trying to stick a knife in somebody, or is it principle? >> your first statement was, are you ready for tough questions? that's no way to talk. it's no way to talk. >> at this point, one of our producers interrupted to advise about the time remaining in the interview. >> i think we have enough of an interview here, hope. i'll see you later. thanks. >> be careful. >> when you invest in small businesses, you invest in the middle class, and you strengthen america's economy, small businesses are part of the backbone of america's economy. >> pardon me, madam vice president, the question was, how are you going to pay for it? >> i'm going to make sure that the richest among us, who can afford it, pay their fair share in taxes.

>> after initially accepting a request for an interview, the trump campaign decided they would not participate. >> that is the tradition of the past bringing all the way up to the present. donald trump's campaign initially they said, they accepted the request presumably for the reason most have, 60 minutes reaches millions of people and you what i want to see the turf and the airtime to your opponent in the home stretch, get after the initial acceptance, trump's campaign backed out which means tonight, millions of people will see only harrison not trump. why? trump's campaign admits the journalistic fact checking was part of the reason they don't want to do it. which is striking. and i want to be as clear and fair as

possible, campaigns, government officials, they can choose how to do press, there's no rule of law and they can have their own views over who is fair, what topics to be emphasized and there are any valid debates over all of that if you deal with people who have experience in the area, we can explain how all of that works but here, the trump aides are not even claiming a valid reason or concern about topics or something that again, people could debate, they just admit that they are worried about the facts themselves, just like they complain there was too much fact checking in the single trump harris debate this year. the maga movement treats lying for trump as a litmus test, lying about the last election and maybe the next one and it's gotten to the point, fox news of course by broadcasting those types of lies, ended up on the losing side of a massive defamation case. all of this is steeped within what else is going on, jd vance himself admitted in front of the whole nation that his only debate that he opposed fact checking and the rules were

negotiated differently, to be as fair as possible but whatever the rule said when a candidate admits in public that fact checking, or the entry of facts, into his claims would be bad for the trump/vance ticket, that is gob smacking, that's not normal. that hangs over all of this in tonight's announcement that the trump folks are afraid to put them in a forum where he could be fact checked, snl turned that flag into a punchline. >> and just to clarify for our viewers, springfield, ohio, does have a large number of haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protective status -- >> but nora, margaret, i think it's important -- the rules were that you guys were not going to fact check. >> senator venter running mate

refused to accept the results of the last election? >> you know, nora, it's rich to say that donald trump is a threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power, we said no fact checking, and willingly don't check that, got on his plane without incident, don't, don't check that. >> don't check that, don't, don't, don't do it. that is a punchline, it's not a good sign for any politician. the idea that fact checking at a debate or on 60 minutes, would automatically be so bad for your campaign that you just admit it in public, and as you know, if you watch this program we try and be fair and we hear from everyone within reason, we hear from both sides. we do it within fact, an adversarial fact checking sometimes, if the people lying make it adversarial but look, it is just about the facts. it is not normal and we shouldn't pretend it's normal or let it be normalized to have a group of politicians and a growing share of one party

admitting that falsehoods or lies are their only path to power. that is not a both sides type of things. the fact checking the supposedly partisan in their times of both parties have played with the truth but when you admit fact checking will hurt your campaign you are exposing a problem whether vance realized it or not when he coughed up that statement under anxiety. so that's why this contrast on 60 minutes tonight also matters and undercuts the maga canes that they say trump does interviews and harris hides. trump and vance, right now are literally running away from the forms that confront them with facts which as i showed you, both parties including one time donald trump, when he would go on 60 minutes and they are doing something else that matters. they're huddling with allies and supporters in formats that are designed to look like interviews, to simulate the idea that donald trump is

facing questions, when it's all fixed. candidates can appear with supporters, that happens, musk campaigned on strays -- stage and that reinforces how when they appeared on x it was not independent interview but more of a virtual rally. so there are lies and then there are lies about the lies and about the fact checkers. that's what we are dealing with something that goes way beyond the media strategy of the week. it gets to the heart where the public will get enough facts to adjudicate the choice coming this next month, 29 days, with the facts at hand, so why was musk's -- what is harris telling 60 minutes tonight. we will be back in 60 seconds. . can get iphone 16 pro on us.

when you trade in any phone in any condition. only on verizon. speaker: my little miracle is beckett. [christina perri, "a thousand years"] i have died every day waiting for you. we wouldn't be where we are without saint jude. and in turn, we wouldn't be where we are without those people that have donated. so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools,

like wealth plan to keep you on track. when you're planning for it all... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management. democrats end up with their nominee later than ever this year which means the remaining time matters more persuasion than usual, donald trump is still trying different ways to draw attention including what the internet is now calling the elon leap as a giddy billionaire leapt with joy behind trump at a rally, at a site where he thankfully, avoided an assassination attempt, musk is a big ally but the pr conscious trump may not have liked all the press that

came out. >> we are going to boom like we've never boomed before. >> as you can see and not just maga, i'm dark maga. >> we will reach mars before the end of my term. >> you want to be a pest, just -- >> teleprompters are dangerous because they go off a lot. you have to be prepared for them to go off. >> be a pest to everyone you know, everywhere, vote, vote, vote. >> the mode that mood was jocular at times, musk used to have less love for trump but now he thinks that i might be president. now, i want to show you how something as widely seen in the u.s., x, as a less credible but form as it used to be and it's also a business is faster, that is just what musk has done there and he also a tax-free speech, today he lost an effort to try to get of the supreme court to avoid subpoenas in the jack smith probe, his track record here is just not that

great but in musk, trump has found something of a safe space. it's a campaign that trump conducts inside a maga bubble and the rally i just showed you have these meandering kind of confused digressions with often collided with, trump's age and possible cognitive decline is being reported by the new york times, also 30% more all or nothing terms, uses swearwords, 69% more frequently, that is a trend that can be called according to experts, disinhibition. so take a look at trump in 2016, look at the cognitive level versus how he sounds now. >> we will be a country of generosity and warmth, but we will also be a country of law and order. >> we have to let the police do their job, and if they have to

be extraordinarily rough, now if you had one really violent day, one rough hour, and i mean, real rough. >> we will renegotiate nafta, stand up to china and stopped the job killing trend. >> we will have a small staff. you are in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there's a shark . >> the evidence shows the shift but whether people are seeing this is a separate question. trump himself holding many fewer rallies than his first campaign. you can see the comparison there, it is a huge change and suggests even trump's hard-core fans who would show up for a rally are less likely to see him in this condition. so, the question becomes who is hiding out from the real questions to site those talking

points i mentioned, again, part of the attack is projection and what's happening tonight on 60 minutes might matter just as much as what's not happening, donald trump docking another independent forum. our political science professor christina greer will break this down for me after the break. lemt r some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage. plus, prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. most plans include coverage for dental, vision, even hearing. and there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs! so, call or go online today to see if there's a humana plan in your area and to get our free decision guide. the

medicare annual enrollment period ends on december 7th, so call now. humana - a more human way to healthcare. it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer and happier life.

the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. hayden: the fact st. jude will take care of all this, this is what's keeping my baby girl alive. chelsea: it's everything for us. we wouldn't know what to do. we couldn't afford for our little girl to survive. and st. jude gives us that. [music playing]

why choose a mobile network built for places you'll probably never be... ...instead of for where you are most of the time? xfinity mobile was designed for where you need it most. xfinity internet customers, ask how to get a free 5g phone and a second unlimited line free for a year. is it possible to count on my internet like my customers count on me? it is with comcast business. keeping you up and running with our 99.9% network reliability. and security that helps outsmart threats to your data. moaire dida twoo? -your data, too. there's even round-the- clock customer support. so you can be there for your customers. with comcast business, reliability isn't just possible.

it's happening. switch to reliable comcast business internet with security and get started for $49.99 a month. plus ask how to get up to a $500 prepaid card. call today! i promised joe that i would give him that perspective and always be honest with him. >> is that a socialist or progressive perspective? >> no. i am not going to be confined to donald trump's definition of who i, or anybody else is. >> vice president harris on 60 minutes, that was when she was a vp candidate in 2020. we are joined by the author of

black ethnics, christina greer. your thoughts on the media blitz, and what else it might reveal right now? >> you can't win for losing sometimes, kamala harris is doing every single interview in that so many different types of markets yet people are still scratching their heads and saying, well i'm not too sure what her policies are, why don't you listen, i mean the vice president has been explaining policies for the past several weeks, as you mentioned an earlier segment, it's been a short runway for her and tim walz, so as she goes on several different shows, to articulate their vision, not the biden/harris vision but the harris/walz vision all of a sudden the gold coast keeps movie because no one demanded this of trump, we are things rambling and musings and cognitive decline from a man who is just spitting out the trail at these rallies. was his job for job creation and to move the country forward, we have no idea other than taking away rights and freedoms, there's no real plan from a trump campaign, so i think many powerful women and women who work in corporate

america or law are accustomed to the goalpost moving. it's frustrating to see this constant handwringing about, what does kamala harris stand for when she is saying it every day in every single interview and policy proposal. >> right, and sometimes it could be people who just admit they don't know much and they say i don't know much, the information is out there, doesn't that you get it. the trump side, i think is important because even shall we say, the reasonable folks, have accepted the way that things get kind of permeated, the idea that oh he does more media than she does. i can tell you if you count all the bro podcasts and if you count x, him doing x as media, sure, but that's completely misleading because that was an allied campaign event, it wasn't an interview. it seems to be seeping out more to the general public that they

are afraid of the facts, which i mentioned in terms of culture and punchlines, here is seth myers. >> trump has turned down an interview with 60 meds because cbs news reportedly wanted to cut out of the review to fact check his responses and that would've taken up at least 52 of the minutes. i'm doing it as a favor to you, you don't have the time. >> it's funny unless all the lies work. what do you think it shows again, people love to say, everything's always been this bad, actually, it's worse than 2016, on this metric. he felt he had to do 60 minutes then and now they are going to just do this around everything. >> seeing his behavior from the last 60 minutes interview, i'm surprised he was even invited back because he was so rude the first time. here we are, we are less than a month, almost a month from

election day and donald trump is missing a very large segment of the population by skipping out on 60 minutes but for so many people it doesn't matter, who are part of his base or undecideds, his strategy has been to say lies, repeat them constantly and consistently, let them catch fire on x which is incredibly friendly to him, people in the french media pick it up and ultimately the mainstream media picks it up. we are seeing this consistently with what is kamala harris enter policy, what is her background, this is how trump and vance are spreading lies about haitian migrants and immigrants and haitian residents in ohio. the list goes on and on and for far too long, so many of us have been complicit in just saying, he misspoke or mistruths where we should have been a lot more aggressive in saying that this is a president at the time, a former president now, who was lying to the american public, saying it so many times that because somehow it becomes a cause-and-effect

and it goes on like wildfire, so we have such a short runway, we have to be aggressive at calling it out and getting these quote unquote, independent voters to get off the fence and recognize just how severe and dangerous donald trump is. you show the 2016 to the 2024 donald trump. we are dealing with a different man in many different ways. >> can we measure that out, and the stats and the data on that and the fewer rallies, some people are not seeing it, so all of that takes scrutiny, professor greer, thank you. i have a lot coming up including the plan to protect the election, learning from the past big lie as harris says trump is of course, she said it's been established, a threat established, a threat to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. to democracy. ri

for a better clean with less... it's got to be tide. a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition that urologists can diagnose and have been treating for more than 8 years with xiaflex®, the only fda-approved nonsurgical treatment for appropriate men with pd. along with daily gentle penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven to help gradually reduce the bend. don't receive if the treatment area involves your urethra; or if you're allergic to any of the ingredients. may cause serious side effects, including: penile fracture or other serious injury during an erection and severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. seek help if you have any of these symptoms. do not have any sexual activity during and for at least 4 weeks after each treatment cycle. sudden back pain reactions and fainting can happen after treatment. tell your doctor if you have a bleeding condition or take blood thinners

as risk of bleeding or bruising at the treatment site is increased. join the tens of thousands of men who've been prescribed xiaflex. make an appointment with a xiaflex-trained urologist. visit bentcarrot.com to find one today. your shipping manager left to "find themself." leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. sponsored jobs on indeed are two and a half times faster to first hire. visit indeed.com/hire

it is inevitable. chloe! hey dad. they will grow up. [cheering] silly face, ready? discover who they are. [playing music] what they want from this world. and how they will make it better. and while parenting has changed, how much you care has not.

that's why instagram is introducing teen accounts. automatic protections for who can contact them and the content they can see. ♪♪

today, october 7th marks the one year since the hamas terror attack on israel and the fighting and tensions continued in the middle east. it was that day a year ago that was the deadliest day in the nation of israel's history. around 1200 citizens killed, 250 others were taken hostage, today, this anniversary is being marked in many ways in israel, the middle east and around the world

. >> do we have a real close ally in prime minister benjamin netanyahu? >> i think with all due respect, the better question is, do we have an important alliance between the american people and the israeli people, and the answer to that question is, yes. >> you can see a brisk and depth handling of what could be a difficult question the u.s. is really alliance as the two democracies have lasted a long time, the policies of and been much more controversial. in the last year over 41,000 palestinians have been killed in gaza according to their local health official estimates, dozens of hostages still held by hamas, including

four americans and the conflict remains a very difficult an ongoing and unpredictable volatile situation again, for everyone involved, there are other elements that have been in the news recently, israel had decapitated part of a group's leadership and we're back backed by iran and that deals with the tensions in southern lebanon and that is a very, very short gloss on what is of course, a much larger and complex issue as we mark this today. i want to bring in the former bureau chief, margaret fletcher, welcome. >> hi, ari . >> i will ask your thoughts today ? >> what a day this is, i think what it is revealing, with the different demonstrations around the world and in israel, is how divided everyone is about this question, the idea that on october 7th, so many people were murdered in such an awful

way by hamas in israel and immediately almost around the world, israel was in the process of being the pariah state because of the way it responded to that attack, so the manifestations we are seeing today around the world in israel, i find it shocking that it changed so quickly and israel's response, you know, many feel it was way over the top in gaza, 41,000 appears cor so the next step now, the expansion of the war into lebanon, actually also at war with gaza, it's no longer confrontation, it's no longer just a confrontation of proxy states, it's becoming the real thing potentially, a war between israel and iran, so that is the next step.

>> you know the saying, both things can be true. in this conflict it's more like 15 things can be true. it's true that the hamas attack was beyond terrific, and as mentioned, the largest in the country's history and any country that imagines itself in that position, they can imagine what they would do in response, but it's also true that there's humanitarian suffering in gaza that is outrageous including so many children killed according to the evidence we have and it's also true or was a possible normalizing deal with the saudi's that might have helped everyone on both sides and it's true that iran has been a saber rattler for decades including support of hezbollah, which took out dozens of americans, it's been

a perennial agitator in the north. so how do you make sense of the snapshot of where the conflict and the other interest in countries are today, year out, as you mentioned, with benjamin netanyahu's leadership leaving some of the country more isolated but his backers say, doing what they need to do for security in the north? >> as you say there are so many sites, we talked about the two sides of the stories, there's infinite number of sites to the story, the leadership, it appears after all this time, it's clear that the majority of people in gaza want this to finish. 60% of the population in israel wants this to end, once the fighting to and immediately, the leaders of israel is showing that there's no wanting to end the fighting, and

lebanon, we don't really know what's going on, there's been extraordinary successes in the field but we don't know what is happened to the rest of those rockets that hezbollah has. israel said they destroyed half of their rocket arsenal, that was estimated to be about 150,000 rockets, if israel destroyed half, that leaves a lot of rockets to be fired, at least 75,000 according to the numbers. so israel's success is in the feet -- the horrific failure on october 7th and we are waiting for israel's response to the ballistic missile attacks from iran but the brakes are being applied by the united states. it was revealing to me, kamala harris and her response to the question about benjamin netanyahu, she really dodged the question. and it's clear that there is a

very serious divide between american leadership and israeli leadership by what israel does next because it could drag the whole region into a wider war including the united states. >> all important points, and i mentioned that and we just got that quote from her tonight from the new interview. you can say she dodged or you can say that she sidestepped it because with 29 days left, she is not trying to enter israeli politics. that might be shrewd or it might give questions to the region about what it looks like were she to become madam president. i appreciate you joining me. >> thank you. we will fit in a break and when we come back, how do you protect the next election? stay with us. se caplyta can caue de eff

call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts right away. anti-depressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. caplyta is not approved for dementia-related psychosis. report fever, confusion, or stiff muscles, which may be life threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements which may be permanent. common side effects include sleepiness, dizziness, nausea, and dry mouth. these aren't all the side effects. in the darkness of bipolar i & ii depression, caplyta can help you let in the lyte. ask your doctor about caplyta. you know what's brilliant? boring. think about it. boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space? boring does. boring makes vacations happen,

early retirements possible, and startups start up. because it's smart, dependable, and steady. all words you want from your bank. for nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble for losing weightars, and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. wegovy® shouldn't be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines. don't take wegovy® if you or your family had medullary thyroid cancer,

multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop wegovy® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis and gallbladder problems. wegovy® may cause low blood sugar in people with diabetes, especially if you take medicines to treat diabetes. tell your provider about vision problems or changes, or if you feel your heart racing while at rest. depression or thoughts of suicide may occur. call your provider right away if you have any mental changes. common side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. with wegovy®, i'm losing weight, i'm keeping it off. and i'm lowering my cv risk. that's the power of we. ♪ ♪ check your cost and coverage before talking to your health care professional about wegovy®. i've been using lumineux whitening toothpaste for years, but i really wanted that dentist visit white, so i decided to try lumineux whitening strips and, oh, wow. look how white my teeth are.

and let me tell you, they feel amazing. our right to reproductive health care is being stolen from us. i can't believe this is the world we live in, where we're losing the freedom to control our own bodies. we need your support now more than ever. go online, call, or scan this code, with your $19 monthly gift. and we'll send you this "care. no matter what" t-shirt. it is your right to have safe health care.

that's it. go online, call, or scan right now. [uplifting music] arearn: saint jude-- they gave it 110% every time. and for kenadie to get treatment here without having to pay anything was amazing. election day is under a month out and something that comes up a lot, i've heard of people who watch msnbc and come up to me is, will this election stand? will it be stolen? will the playbook from 2020 and the big lively somehow fortified take senator contin and house speaker johnson who

won't even say trump lost. >> can you say definitively here and now that donald trump did lose the 2020 election. >> joe biden was elected president in 2020. it was an unfair election. >> can you say joe biden won the 2020 election and donald trump lost? >> see, this is the game that's always played by mainstream media with lady and republicans, it's a gotcha game. >> there's nothing gotcha about addressing basic facts and because the united states was an early innovator of democracy, it has a long tradition of making sure there are public concessions, that's what candidates in both parties always do when the results are clear unless they exercise their legal rights, donald trump is only person from major party to ever fail to do this and what a failure it is. jd vance of course that had to follow the trump playbook, maga republicans as i mentioned, have a litmus test of lying about the election for trump, while he himself basically ups

his violent rhetoric, he has raised claims of virus -- violence against harris supporters, and pushed baseless conspiracy theories. >> is there anybody here that's going to vote for lying kamala, please raise your hand, please raise it. actually i should say, don't raise your hand, it would be very dangerous. we don't want to see anybody get hurt. i said sean, i only want to be a dictator for one day i'm going to close the borders and drill, baby drill but after that i never want to be a dictator. >> you know now a murder, it's

in their genes and we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now. >> this is all happening right now, and i told you there will be a reason when and how we show things like this, we reported in fact check trump and vance earlier in the broadcast and i showed you their issues with the facts, this stuff, much of it, false, or incendiary, is also something that in a way they hope stays only inside the rallies, that people won't otherwise find out about it because some of this stuff politically as well as factually, is bad for them. for a special discussion we are joined by the award-winning director rob reiner and, w kamau bell, welcome. >> thanks for having us. >> i am unqualified to be next to rob reiner but i will do it if i can. you are. oh, yes, you are.e. >> respect. mr. bell, your thoughts on confronting and fact checking this, not normalizing it, but not letting it disappear, as i

pointed out, to the degree people in mid-october say it's terrorists and taxes. it's a full package, is it not? >> it's very clear trump is telling us who he is. when someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. he's told us who he is many times, even before he went down the elevator when he took out the ad in "the new york times" calling for the death penalty of the exonerated five. this is all real and he's really -- trump and vance are a symbol of a failure of american democracy from top to bottom that they aren't disqualified to even run for this office because this country doesn't have the spine that it claims to have to stand up for democracy. >> rob? >> well, you know, you talked about it earlier in the show, about this whole idea, he's frightened of being fact checked. you know, he won't go on "60 minutes" because he's frightened of being fact checked. this is very tough for the media

because it's a fire hose of lies. this man just never stops lying about everything he says. so my suggestion is, for the media, to truth check him. noedz, assume everything he says is a lie. and then every once in a while, say something true, that's true, you say. let him go on "60 minutes" and tell the audience, nothing out of his mouth is going to be true. when he does say something true, we'll say okay, that's true. then you just assume everything else is a lie. i cannot believe we're in this position that we're in right now. it's like being in some insane asylum. >> what position are we in? >> well, we're in a position where you have one person who has spent her life dedicated to public service, who has worked hard, who has good values, is a good person. and on the other side, you have a convicted felon who has been an adjudicated rapist, who tried

to overthrow the government and is a pathological liar. that's the difference. and the fact that it's a close race to me is insanity. i mean, how can we have a situation where you have one person qualified for the job and, by the way, tell me a campaign where dick cheney and aoc are voting for the same person. what campaign is that? i mean, we're in craziville here. and the fact that it's that close is scary. it's really scary. >> so mr. bell, how do you look at what's happening outside of the hard core news and political environment? do you think the contrast, as rob sees it, is breaking through? >> i mean, you know, i think rob, and as you know, the reason why you can have this is one person is completely unqualified and criminally unqualified for the job and one person is

qualified but somehow it's a tight race comes down to race and gender. like, if kamala was a rich white man, the race probably wouldn't be as close, but kamala wouldn't be kamala if she was a rich white man. clearly, this country still has an uninvestigated race problem that we're afraid to investigate and the maga movement is trying to push further and further down by taking books about race and racism out of schools, and therefore, this race is neck and neck, and on top of that, if this was just a popular vote that won the election, it wouldn't be tight. we all would believe kamala would win the popular vote, but we have the leftover slave holder math of the electoral college. it's an indicator of what this country is not. democracy is what we tell our kids in school but it's not what we're living. >> mr. reiner, you know what we call that. >> what do we call it, ari? >> we call that big facts. we call that big facts. right here, national news, right in the evening. i'm going to show you something.

this is short. a brief clip of an ad that tries to deal with a little piece of this, the democracy part from harris. >> pressuring pence to take action. >> mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. >> trump looked at him and said only, so what? >> they're trying to target that to people who may not have sat through all the jan 6 hearings. on the stump, harris hits economy, she talks about jobs, people's lives. she was doing a lot of labor last week in michigan. but the ads where they have extra money, they have more money than biden was going to have, they're hitting this message. your thoughts on the politics of that. >> you have to have both. you have to show what you're for, what you're going to do for people, and you have to show who you're up against, a person completely unqualified for this job. you have to show both.

and you're right. it's race and it's gender. those are the things that are keeping -- the fact that there are going to be seven states and the margins in seven states are going to determine who is the next president of the united states is, you're exactly right, it's not democracy. but we'll never get rid of the electoral college as long as the small states hold on to their power. so what we have to do, because trump has decided, he's not adding one more vote. he's not trying to add one more vote. he's just trying to push the people he has to the polls. that's what we have to do. we have to make sure that we get to the polls. if our people get to the polls, we will win. and we will win, you know, 5 million to 10 million in the popular vote and also the electoral college. >> now we're out of time. listening to both of you, i'm not going to say i feel better, but i do feel -- i do feel energized and i feel thought provoked.

thanks to both of you. and we'll be right back. once-d. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down, i got lasting steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when my doctor saw damage, rinvoq helped visibly reduce damage of the intestinal lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and visibly reduced damage. check, check and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc and crohn's in check and keep them there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq. and learn how abbvie can help you save. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain

with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source. voltaren, the joy of movement. meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. what does a robot know about love? chase. how to translate that leap inside the human heart into something we can see and hold. the fingerprints we leave behind show how determined we are to give

the world a piece of ourselves. etsy. swiffer duster traps 4x more dust, for a clean even mom approves of. that reach! making hard to reach... so easy. swiffer. wow. the mother of all cleans. love it or your money back! (♪♪) behind every splenda product is a mission. helping millions of people reduce sugar from their diets.

now try a sweetener grown by u.s. farmers. introducing zero-calorie splenda stevia. at splenda stevia farms, our plants are sweetened by sunshine. experience how great splenda stevia can be. grown on our farm, enjoyed at your table. (♪♪) you can always connect with me online at arimelber.com. i have a brand-new piece this week at arimelber.com about how kamala harris' culture buzz might help her in the election. sign up for the free email newsletter if you're interested or skip the internet and keep it locked right here on msnbc. "the reidout" starts